Yeah, I’ve got a distant several-times-removed relative who was a pretty big abolitionist and move and shaker in the Underground Railroad at the time. It’s always crazy to learn about an old and distant relative!
The Civil War period, like most history, has some really fascinating microcosms and individual stories, but I think it’s always important to remember that despite what we might ascribe to the individuals in the time, the larger social dynamics should always be kept in mind. Learning about and remembering stuff like the purposeful sabotage of Reconstruction, and how that shaped US politics at the turn of the last century can yield some really interesting epiphanies about other major and deeply flawed figures like Woodrow Wilson.
that’s a link to presidential proclamation 179 it granted a full pardon to all soldiers of the Confederacy and to the generals. as many were only fighting to protect their homes and families. (it was war and the union generals did what they had to to win but a lot of it was horrific and wrong and ended up giving credence to the Confederacy.) I’m not getting into the morality of the war as there’s a lot there to dissect especially when you start looking at the native American nations that sided with the south because of their geography and not wanting to get completely destroyed.
I’m just saying the south were not considered traitors and shouldn’t be now.
So I tried to keep my mouth shut but one can only bite there tongue for so long. Pinewreaths the last time I interacted with you was over 7 months ago.
That was when we had are last conversation, You know when you called me racist, a white nationalist, and accused me of supporting genocide.
I think you should be the last person asked about American history based your clear disdain for it. Unironically claiming that America was created on atrocity, genocide and moral decay. The same person who unironically claimed that living Americans should pay for every sin of there forefathers and claimed that European culture fucked the world. Don’t take my word for it let me just quote you.
“ I am racist
but I recognize my racist tendencies, and work to address them and overcome them whenever I can”
“
hell no. everyone is awful
and everyone is capable of being good
but when you look at the history of the world, especially the last five
hundred years or so, the white folks are the ones who colonized and
fucked up the rest of the world, not the other way around”
“
Hey, we just showed up here, planted our flag, and will proceed to take everything we can from your land that’s not nailed down”
“
well, everyone who did fucked up shit should be appropriately and fairly punished for fucked up shit whether your grandpa stole a tv or the government stole some land”
“
rather than just say “hey, as someone who’s benefiting from fucked-up
shit people did a long time ago, maybe we should try and make amends for
the fucked-up shit” instead of shutting up and just enjoying the gravy
train”
Your the last person anyone should be asking about historical monuments. I am sure if it was up to you, you would take down the statute of liberty cause it is a sign of oppression.
Someone who has no respect for there country or the lives of every man women and child who died fighting to give you the rights you spit on everyday. Should not be talking about respect or how best to handle the history you clearly don’t give a fuck about!
Well now, looks like you’ve decided to come stomping back after 8 months of silence.
This is gonna be good.
For anyone who gives a shit, here’s the entire transcript of the conversation, from 01/01/17: https://pastebin.com/fcjNrK5R
I’m putting the rest of my reply under a cut, so my followers won’t see your nonsense on their dash if they don’t want to.
By the way, this is why nobody in the fandom likes interracting with that piece of garbage. He very much is a racist douchebag. And noneatnone, you too. It shocked me when i first learned how racist, sexist, and xenophobic people in the gravity falls fandom could be. These two are contrary to EVERYTHING Alex Hirsch believes. Me too. My recommendation is to block these assholes and move on.
I’ve read stuff to that effect before, but I’m afraid I’m still not overly sympathetic to his being differentiated from the traitor nation he fought for. It’s kind of like trying to divorce Rommel from the Nazis; he’s an admirably skilled general, and personally utterly detested Hitler and the Nazi party, but at the end of the day he fought for keeping and expanding the land held by the Nazis in Africa.
At a certain point it becomes a “No True Scotsman” fallacy, where almost no-one can be considered as part of a harmful group because of minutia brought up in an attempt to separate it. If he were to have restricted his campaigns entirely to Virginia and repelling anyone who entered but nothing more, that would be one thing, but he actively led troops into other states not in the defense of his home state, but in the goals of the Confederacy as a whole.
I appreciate the ability to have a reasoned and calm discussion, and hope my points make sense to you!
As for snake people, I have a plug-in for Chrome that changes “millennials” to “snake people,” and it makes complaints about the death of the fabric softener industry 1000% more entertaining.
Damn, it would make those stupid “millennials are killing everything” actually amusing. And I really don’t know where pepple get these conceptions of Robert E. Lee. The man very much believed in white people being superior to other races, and he was very much fighting for slavery. All of the major leaders during the Civil war acknowledged it as being the primary cause for the war.
This debate is stupid. Nazis march waving the “confederate flag”, which it isn’t even. The vast majority of the statues were erected in the middle of the last century, not right after the civil war. Monuments are not history and we don’t need them to know what happened. And the people who seem so in love with these monuments never say anything in defense of native lands, or people that are currently alive and being shafted by the government. I think we can all name one US city rhat doesn’t have clean drinking water. And that’s more important than all the statues in the country.
Wreaths. You’re a good egg, and you have way more patience with these anons than I would have.
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